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Ok, fixed again in release 1.2.1A (http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=37202&release_id=466792) --Starrynte |
It appears the the actual effect is that the robot is moved to coordinates far off the battle field, and continued movement away from the battle field sometimes results in the player's coordinates becoming (NaN, NaN). The interesting effect of this is that every bullet then hits the player, and every bullet that the player fires gets a hit. This is typically good against robots that don't fire unless they see you, because the other effect of residing at NaN, NaN is that your opponent can't see you and you can see him in every direction.
So how many robots never fire if they can't see their opponent? A very simple robot that manipulates this bug (the only one I've made that extends Robot instead of AdvancedRobot in a long time) can beat 8 of the current top 10 OneOnOne robots on the EternalRumble, so I suppose the answer is everyone except Gouldingi and GlowBlow. -- Kawigi
Hehe, yes, as a result of the WhenToFire discussion Gouldingi fires from the while(true) loop regardless if it has seen a robot or not. This "limbo" bot is entered into the EternalRumble i hope? It should stir the league up some. =) -- PEZ
I wouldn't enter it the the ER, but i would at least post the source here, so people can see exactly how it works. -- Tango
Well, now the worms are out of the can so there will be a few of these robots in the rumble soon anyway, in'it? -- PEZ
Yeah, I wouldn't feel comfortable with putting it into the rumble, as interesting as it would probably be. SpareParts also fires in its "loop", but not forever. I think he still beats this little bug, though. If I think other people are starting to do it, though, I might be tempted to sneak in a warp to FloodHT if he gets stuck against an appropriate wall anyways (just kidding). I released it as a special-interest sort of robot, without source, on the RobocodeRepository. It's called kawigi.tests.WhatTheHeck 0.1 (because that's what I was thinking when I first saw it. -- Kawigi
It's funny to see it happen. Imagine that such a bug has passed unnoticed for so long. It's sweet to see DT get's its ass kicked anyways. =) -- PEZ
I tried to recreate hitting the 0 wall and turning right but had no success. I guess I get to try again.. I really want to understand what sort of math error could be causing this. -- Kuuran
Amazing! One reason why this bug would remain unnoticed is because most people try to avoid the walls. But that doesn't explain all of it, someone should have seen it anyway. Perhaps it is a bug introduced in the latest versions of the jvm? -- tobe
That's an interesting question - it could also have something to do strictly with representations of doubles, with strictfp math, or even the ALUs on processors (but I would think that less likely, the bug happens on my Athlon, and Pez's iBook, and I assume on others' pentiums. That's also an argument against jvm versions, actually. I'll search for the real bug sometime...) -- Kawigi
FootBallDemo counts over a hundred downloads; I think plenty of people noticed the teleport, it's just that no-one reported the bug. ;-p -- Dummy
It may be the case that alot of people saw it, it may be the case that people don't pay that close attention :p Anyway, I still can't repeat it, it's not just a matter of hitting the wall and turning, the exact function sequence that's used in the scorekeeper seems to be needed. I also believe copying+pasting that sequence is how WhatTheHeck was made? -- Kuuran
Originally, I did take the score-keeper's code and paste it into WhatTheHeck, and then I took out some parts to figure out what seemed necessary. -- Kawigi
Did what you found give you any logical clues as to why the bug exists? -- Kuuran
Not yet, I still really need to extract a debugging version of Robocode and figure out exactly where the NaN's start coming in. A few things could possibly cause it internally, including dividing zero by zero, taking the asin or acos of a number greater than 1 or less than -1, taking the tangent of a 90 or 270 degree angle, probably some other ways... -- Kawigi
Don't sweat it. This is Mat's work until they release it open source, in'it? Focus on making a DT killer bot instead. =) -- PEZ
The bug seems to occur when the bot is exactly 18 pixels from the side wall. I get a different effect but the idea seems to be the same. Try this:
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package vuen;
import robocode.*;
public class Teleport extends Robot {
public void run() {
turnLeft(getHeading() + 90);
ahead(getX() - 18);
turnRight(90);
ahead(100);
}
}
This instantly teleports the bot to 18.001,-8.825285802042654E11 (fix) (not NaN,NaN). I'm not sure why the coordinates end up different, but the distance of 18 seems to be the key factor in teleporting. If you decide to look for the bug in Robocode, my suggestion is to start by looking for occurences of the number 18 or 36. -- Vuen
It sounds like a problem with a less-than instead of a less-than-equals, or vice versa. An off-by-one type bug. -- nano
Or an off-by-1E-22. Actually, WhatTheHeck also ends up around that sort of coordinate, and to get to NaN,NaN, it just keeps moving away from the center :-p Kind of a silly thing. In melee, he'll try to stay in that finite limbo until there's only one more enemy left, and then he'll go out all the way. -- Kawigi
Bots are 36x36 pixels in size (NOT 40x40, which is what getWidth() and getHeight() report), so I don't wonder about the Teleport distance being 18 pixels. It's probably a bug in the wall hit detection code. Anyway, I go experiment with it again. :) -- Jonathan
I can't get it out of (18, 18, width-18, height-18). Most of the time it puts the bot in a corner or at the other side of the battlefield. Vuen's Teleport always gets teleported to a little over (18, 18). -- Jonathan
Interesting... This is part of the output of one of my Teleport test bots:
(99.00099976479568, 18.000006451466756) (-54.84854421736972, 18.001) (18.000997042375054, 18.000529543260303) (19.000997042354204, 18.000523085337143) (21.0009970423125, 18.000510169490823) (24.000997042249942, 18.000490795721344) (28.00099704216653, 18.000464964028705) (33.00099704206227, 18.000432674412906) (39.000997041937154, 18.000393926873947) (46.00099704179119, 18.00034872141183) (54.000997041624366, 18.00029705802655) (62.000997041457545, 18.000245394641272) (70.00099704129073, 18.000193731255994) (78.00099704112391, 18.000142067870716) (86.00099704095709, 18.000090404485437) (92.00099704083198, 18.00005165694648) (96.00099704074857, 18.000025825253832) (99.00099704068602, 18.000006451484346) (-54.84854426036705, 18.001) (18.000996999377726, 18.00052954326043)It first drives to (18, 18), then (100, 18), via a method which continuously adjusts heading and distance. -- Jonathan
Probably there is a black hole there... -- Axe
Haha! I know you might not have been joking Axe, but you just made me laugh at loud. =) -- PEZ
Hmm, does this bug still work? I tried Vuens code and didnt get anything.
The teleport issue was fixed in Robocode 1.0.7. -- Kawigi
The main reason why there was a teleport bug is because the collision detection happens only every frame. Like, a robot traveling at 8 px/frame is 2 px away from the wall, so the next frame it goes through the wall, etc, etc, etc. -- nfwu
Version 1.2.1 fixed another teleport bug (i think) http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=37202&release_id=463711 --Starrynte
Actually, i think it added it! Now Corners teleports each time! This makes it funny because in a battle where it's Corners against Corners, the first Corners teleports, then the second one teleports!
One way i think you can defeat teleport bots is if you shoot them down quickly and kill them before they manage to teleport (this may be easier on a 2000x2000 field, because the teleport bot has to travel farther to hit a wall) --Starrynte
Ok, fixed again in release 1.2.1A (http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=37202&release_id=466792) --Starrynte