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<h3>Kohonen Map Prototype</h3>

TargetingChallenge2K7/Results
|'''Name''' |'''CC''' |'''RMX''' |'''SHA''' |'''WS''' |'''WOE''' |'''Surf'''|'''DM''' |'''FT''' |'''GG''' |'''RMC''' |'''WLO''' |'''No Surf'''|'''Total''' |'''Comment'''
|Prototype 021 | 66.11 | 75.78 | 72.60 | 76.57 | 76.97 | '''73.61''' | 87.44 | 78.68 | 81.68 | 79.83 | 78.79 | '''81.28''' | '''77.44''' | 2 Seasons
|Prototype 016 | 62.21 | 79.77 | 70.07 | 78.50 | 76.60 | '''73.43''' | 88.26 | 77.32 | 81.83 | 78.07 | 78.43 |  '''80.78'''  | '''77.10''' | After fixing that bug, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 019 | 63.08 | 79.60 | 71.02 | 78.00 | 75.60 | '''73.46''' | 88.72 | 75.16 | 82.91 | 78.68 | 77.48 |  '''80.59'''  | '''77.02''' | Smaller starting neighborhood, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 005|63.52|79.69|65.96|80.83|80.77|  '''74.15'''  |88.73|76.91|75.77|79.47|78.17|  '''79.81'''  |'''76.98'''| Rebuilt
|[[Shadow]] 3.66  |71.74|74.21|68.75|75.07|79.47|  '''73.85'''  |86.43|78.07|84.56|79.15|70.17|  '''79.68'''  |'''76.76'''| 
|Prototype 014|62.53|80.43|65.81|79.73|78.67|  '''73.44'''  |88.16|76.19|73.64|80.13|74.96|  '''78.62'''  |'''76.03'''| .5% again, other mods
|Prototype 020 | 61.66 | 75.95 | 72.12 | 76.10 | 75.17 | '''72.20''' | 88.82 | 77.01 | 79.32 | 77.18 | 75.35 |  '''79.54'''  | '''75.87''' | Tried extending the wallDistance functions, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 023 | 61.35 | 74.68 | 71.73 | 75.89 | 73.05 | '''71.34''' | 87.55 | 75.88 | 78.39 | 79.95 | 78.03 |  '''79.96'''  | '''75.65''' | 2 Seasons
|Prototype 011|55.77|80.33|62.06|77.51|80.70|  '''71.27'''  |88.65|77.50|73.30|81.70|75.38|  '''79.31'''  |'''75.29'''| 2 Seasons, 1.4% VG Margin
|Prototype 004|64.12|81.24|64.31|77.54|79.82|  '''73.41'''  |88.02|74.54|69.28|76.74|76.57|  '''77.03'''  |'''75.22'''| Tuned Virtual Gun Array
|Prototype 008|51.50|80.12|66.45|66.02|70.42|  '''66.90'''  |88.37|78.42|84.81|81.41|77.71|  '''82.14'''  |'''74.52'''| What I get for cheating
|Prototype 003|61.12|77.76|65.60|78.23|77.02|  '''71.95'''  |84.30|74.10|71.84|75.53|72.45|  '''75.64'''  |'''73.80'''| First attempt at virtual gun, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 002 | 62.88 | 81.37 | 68.05 | 80.60 | 80.21 |  '''74.62'''  |77.04|69.79|72.02|67.13|68.73|  '''70.94'''  |'''72.78'''| Second stab at anti-surfer
|Prototype 015G0 | 61.32 | 81.48 | 64.96 | 78.15 | 80.17 | '''73.22''' | 77.55 | 70.19 | 71.17 | 69.20 | 68.36 |  '''71.29'''  | '''72.25''' | Adaptive Gun Only, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 009|57.69|82.15|60.96|61.01|55.14|  '''63.39'''  |90.41|79.15|74.46|79.93|76.87|  '''80.16'''  |'''71.78'''| 5 Seasons
|Prototype 013|59.80|81.97|61.34|58.51|54.86|  '''63.30'''  |88.80|77.49|76.57|79.19|78.23|  '''80.06'''  |'''71.68'''| 2 Seasons, about .5% VG Margin
|Prototype 001|63.01|77.58|66.07|77.35|78.53|  '''72.51'''  |77.94|67.32|69.46|68.42|66.96|  '''70.02'''  |'''71.27'''| First stab at anti-surfer
|Prototype 010|54.79|73.80|61.03|57.66|52.30|  '''59.91'''  |88.02|78.21|70.79|80.57|75.39|  '''78.59'''  |'''69.25'''| 2 Seasons, Full NN
|Prototype 015G1 | 50.10 | 57.76 | 62.72 | 56.95 | 56.43 | '''56.79''' | 88.23 | 77.24 | 75.18 | 78.87 | 75.83 |  '''79.07'''  | '''67.93''' | Standard Gun Only, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 015G2 | 48.03 | 52.94 | 60.80 | 54.63 | 52.54 | '''53.79''' | 88.01 | 79.31 | 73.50 | 80.88 | 75.55 | '''79.45''' | '''66.62''' | UNetwork Gun Only, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 000 | 30.45 | 37.57 | 44.36 | 31.48 | 30.41 | '''34.85''' | 87.66 | 77.32 | 70.99 | 81.29 | 76.16 |  '''78.68'''  | '''56.77''' | 2 Seasons
|Prototype KT0 |  0.22 |  0.90 |  0.38 |  0.61 |  0.67 |  '''0.56''' | 87.26 | 74.03 | 65.94 | 80.98 | 76.52 |  '''76.95'''  | '''38.75''' | 2 Seasons

TargetingChallenge2K6/Results
| '''Name''' | '''BFly''' | '''CC''' | '''Chk''' | '''Cig''' | '''Cya''' | '''DM''' | '''FM''' | '''Grb''' | '''RMB''' | '''Tig''' | '''Total''' | '''Comment''' 
| [[Shadow]] 3.66     | 99.85 | 72.26 | 96.16 | 85.04 | 74.01 | 95.50 | 90.77 | 90.56 | 89.67 | 86.67 | '''88.05''' |
| Prototype 021   | 98.80 | 67.23 | 88.28 | 80.10 | 77.99 | 92.00 | 87.48 | 89.55 | 87.75 | 89.89 | '''85.91''' | 2 Seasons
| Prototype 016   | 99.31 | 65.83 | 88.22 | 78.57 | 76.69 | 92.92 | 85.59 | 87.95 | 87.96 | 91.20 | '''85.42''' | 2 Seasons
| Prototype 019   | 99.12 | 64.69 | 87.15 | 78.90 | 76.82 | 92.93 | 87.66 | 87.84 | 88.58 | 88.52 | '''85.22''' | Smaller starting neighborhood, 2 Seasons
| Prototype 020   | 98.59 | 64.33 | 87.40 | 75.20 | 73.47 | 91.81 | 86.93 | 89.91 | 87.02 | 90.15 | '''84.48''' | Tried extending the wallDistance 
| Prototype 023   | 97.46 | 63.52 | 82.50 | 76.68 | 74.75 | 91.42 | 84.04 | 88.36 | 87.03 | 87.33 | '''83.31''' | 2 Seasons
| Prototype 014   | 92.93 | 65.38 | 85.94 | 72.34 | 72.21 | 90.60 | 84.60 | 83.74 | 84.46 | 92.67 | '''82.49''' | Not as good as I would like -.-functions, 2 Seasons
| Prototype 015G0 | 93.29 | 64.97 | 85.81 | 67.85 | 73.22 | 79.06 | 73.57 | 78.88 | 76.89 | 92.37 | '''78.59''' | Adaptive Gun Only, 2 Seasons
| Prototype 015G1 | 92.41 | 51.00 | 66.75 | 73.49 | 60.63 | 89.01 | 84.41 | 83.63 | 82.68 | 73.61 | '''75.76''' | Standard Gun Only, 2 Seasons
| Prototype 015G2 | 91.40 | 49.88 | 62.99 | 71.66 | 57.68 | 90.28 | 85.30 | 84.79 | 84.96 | 71.88 | '''75.08''' | UNetwork Gun Only, 2 Seasons
| Prototype KT0   | 79.47 |  0.24 |  1.81 | 68.29 |  3.52 | 89.96 | 77.17 | 80.33 | 80.80 |  3.20 | '''48.48''' | 2 Seasons

TargetingChallenge/Results
|'''Name'''|'''DT'''|'''Asp'''|'''TAOW'''|'''Spar'''|'''Cig'''|'''Tron'''|'''Fhqw'''|'''HTTC'''|'''Yngw'''|'''Funk'''|'''Total'''|'''Comment'''
|Prototype 007   | 77.30 | 95.74 | 99.61 | 99.19 | 84.98 | 90.50 | 98.19 | 88.22 | 98.92 | 91.68 | '''92.43''' | NT/GF
|[[Shadow]] 3.06     | 80.92 | 91.41 | 99.99 | 98.93 | 84.82 | 91.44 | 96.05 | 89.18 | 97.75 | 89.37 | '''91.99''' |
|Prototype 016   | 80.01 | 89.70 | 99.63 | 96.74 | 78.31 | 84.86 | 93.10 | 88.97 | 96.54 | 85.57 | '''89.34''' | After fixing that error, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 019   | 78.80 | 89.43 | 100.00 | 96.48 | 79.76 | 85.64 | 93.07 | 86.28 | 96.95 | 86.41 | '''89.28''' | Smaller starting neighborhood, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 021   | 77.11 | 90.39 | 99.96 | 96.36 | 79.83 | 85.97 | 92.02 | 86.98 | 96.64 | 85.96 | '''89.12''' | 2 Seasons
|Prototype 020   | 78.25 | 89.21 | 99.80 | 96.19 | 75.62 | 84.72 | 90.57 | 87.30 | 96.37 | 83.97 | '''88.20''' | Tried extending the wallDistance functions, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 023   | 74.38 | 85.83 | 99.60 | 95.45 | 76.84 | 83.62 | 92.86 | 88.22 | 96.21 | 84.83 | '''87.78''' | 2 Seasons
|Prototype 005   | 74.64 | 86.63 | 99.53 | 91.84 | 73.49 | 84.30 | 88.22 | 85.89 | 96.85 | 81.75 | '''86.31''' |
|Prototype 015G2 | 69.54 | 86.09 | 99.24 | 90.06 | 72.23 | 82.64 | 89.13 | 88.41 | 96.16 | 83.27 | '''85.68''' | UNetwork Gun Only, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 015G1 | 70.60 | 86.22 | 99.41 | 90.98 | 72.85 | 83.10 | 87.51 | 86.74 | 95.63 | 82.58 | '''85.56''' | Standard Gun Only, 2 Seasons
|Prototype 014   | 71.90 | 83.55 | 99.13 | 91.68 | 70.62 | 82.12 | 88.16 | 87.63 | 95.22 | 85.56 | '''85.56''' |
|Prototype KT0   | 63.80 | 84.23 | 99.80 | 89.05 | 68.19 | 79.40 | 86.65 | 86.86 | 96.73 | 79.26 | '''83.40''' | 2 Seasons
|Prototype 015G0 | 63.87 | 77.79 | 99.08 | 88.23 | 68.35 | 75.60 | 81.67 | 74.15 | 92.33 | 80.37 | '''80.14''' | Adaptive Gun Only, 2 Seasons

Targeting Challenge Average
|'''Name'''|'''TC'''|'''TC2K6'''|'''TC2K7'''|'''Total'''|'''Comment'''
| Prototype 021   |  89.12  |  85.91  |  77.44  |  '''84.16'''  |
| Prototype 016   |  89.34  |  85.42  |  77.10  |  '''83.95'''  | Fixed Error
| Prototype 019   |  89.28  |  85.22  |  77.02  |  '''83.84'''  |
| Prototype 020   |  88.20  |  84.48  |  75.87  |  '''82.85'''  |
| Prototype 023   |  87.78  |  83.31  |  75.65  |  '''82.25'''  |
| Prototype 014   |  85.56  |  82.49  |  76.03  |  '''81.36'''  |
| Prototype 015G0 |  80.14  |  78.59  |  72.25  |  '''76.99'''  | Adaptive Gun Only
| Prototype 015G1 |  85.56  |  75.76  |  67.93  |  '''76.42'''  | Standard Gun Only
| Prototype 015G2 |  85.68  |  75.08  |  66.62  |  '''75.79'''  | UNetwork Gun Only

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<h4>Goals</h4>
Have one version of the gun rank higher then shadows in the TC, TC2K6 and the TC2K7.

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<h4>Compaints, Comments, Concerns, and Phobia's</h4>

Thats... way.. awesome, wow. *Checks to make sure bullet power is actually always at three* It is! OMG, thats totally awesome, and its still only a 3 dimensional lattice. --[[Chase-san]]

Just curious - what attributes are you feeding the network, and are the outputs one per GuessFactor bin or something else? If 3D means what I think it means (one input, one hidden, and one output layer?), I think it's pretty common to only have one or two hidden layers, anyway. Nice work so far, in any case. -- [[Voidious]]

Actually no, your incorrect there my good fellow, it only has one input and one output layer. It just how the map works, the map as it we're uses dimensions like a multi-dimensional array, as so it can have more neighbors, the more neighbors a node has, well i'm not sure, but I think it updates all the data better, I do know however it gets a better aim. Currently it has a fixed map of only 10x10x10=1000 input mapping nodes. The main reason I don't put more as it just takes so much power to do the math. As when it did a wave every tick, it didn't skip rounds, but it was a slowbot, so I think I have some leadway yet on dimensional expansion.

As for attributes, every one I can, and output is just a set of x bins per node. I have Simonton to thank for that idea.--[[Chase-san]]

That was a serious improvement!  (Against the surfers) -- [[Simonton]]

Actually scratch that, its skipping turns like nobody's business! If I eliminate that, it should preform a great deal better! (and totally trash all those bots) --[[Chase-san]]

* Then again, lossy data is the kind of thing that has been known to actually ''help'' against surfers. =) -- [[Voidious]]
* Shh, don't start that. --[[Chase-san]]

So, what was the change from 0 to 1? -- [[Simonton]]

OHH, that, well, first of all I added rolling averages, then I added a few dynamic tweaks that allows the size of the variance (size of area effected by updates), be reduced with time, or rather in this case, number of updates that had happened. A few speed optimizations, nothing overly massive. Now 001 to 002 will be interesting. --[[Chase-san]]

What was that again about lossy information there Voidious? this particular version skips less rounds then Dookious does on average (as well it should!). --[[Chase-san]]

* I stand behind what I said. Many others and I have encountered situations where drastic bug fixes actually decreased performance against surfers. Glad for you that this wasn't that kind of case (apparently). -- [[Voidious]]
* Hey, and what's your CPU constant? Dookious skips no turns on my system with the CPU constant that Robocode sets. (And since it sets it based on CPU speed, that should be true everywhere, theoretically.) -- [[Voidious]]
* 15 Milliseconds per turn, sometimes Dookious skips a turn here and there. (my processor is teh weak) --[[Chase-san]]

My Virtual Gun implimentation needs a little work, how to decide to switch guns so its always right (right now only if one is .01 higher then the other does it switch) and it decays at the start of each battle (its halved). How my network works I only had to add another output vector. If it turns out  I need another map set to get a better gun, all I will need is another set of weights in each node. --[[Chase-san]]

Whats funny is that, my new version of Seraphim loses to the 400R version (uses Raiko's movment and simple energy management), and its like up there in the rankings, as does Virus, Tigger and just bearly GresSuffurd. So I now know the anti-surfer gun in this rocks, its just the non-sufer part I need to better. --[[Chase-san]]

Wowie, I am currently refactoring Prototype (ergo seperating it from Raiko), I have only found 1 error so far with the node system, with the node mapping, its not something that is so much wrong, as a matter of style, but its fixed to work the way I would perfer it (it was a cube with an indent, now its just a cubic network). also I need to backtrace my gf calculation and find where its dieing. --[[Chase-san]]

Between the two Seraphims, it looks strong! Keep this up and you'll give [[Engineer]] a run for the top NeuralNetwork spot =). I take it 'S' is because movement is from Seraphim? -- [[Skilgannon]]

Very Perceptive, yes indeed S does stand for Seraphim. Engineer is awesome, and I also might add closed-source, so beating it is on my to-do list. Seraphim's movement is buggy, but dispite this it is still very good. I am very comfortable with making a completely new robot around this gun as it is something new and exciting (instead of just basically remaking the same bot over and over again... ergo Genesis and Caffiene). --[[Chase-san]]
* Just as a side note, it is using a mostly unmodified copy of Seraphims 0.071's movement, which means its doing pretty good for it. --[[Chase-san]]
**I want to see an unbroken version =) -- [[Skilgannon]]

Its been hard for this gun but I have been trying to hit the non-adaptive movers better, lets hope I come up with something better soon. --[[Chase-san]]

Do you realize that this gun is scoring better than Shadow against both AM and non-AM in the TC2K7? That's serious firepower. Now you just need to hook it up to a strong surfing implementation, and you should have a 2040 - 2050 bot. I think this gun is around as strong as Engineer's. Good work! -- [[Skilgannon]]

Why stop at beating Shadow! If I work on the non-AM bots some I might be able to push it above Pear! That and the non-AM movement isn't actually better then Shadows I don't think, just in this challenge. --[[Chase-san]]

Oh nvm, wrong TC, I was looking at 2K6, 86 on that is high. --[[Chase-san]]

How are you differing the GF arrays between the AM & non-AM tuned outputs?  -- [[Simonton]]

Umm, just really the smoothing is all. --[[Chase-san]]

* Umm... what? =) Your BinSmoothing differentiates your AntiSurfer gun? -- [[Voidious]]
* Umm... what?  Your BinSmoothing is all that differentiates your AntiSurfer gun?  :)  Have you tried changing the rolling depth between the two?  -- [[Simonton]]
** Umm... yah? To both. Different rolling depth had no real effect (VG array reported the same hit rate both of them), so I just removed the rolling altogeahter on the non-adaptive movement gun. Because trust me, I don't have enough time per turn for another one of these networks (well of this size atleast). --[[Chase-san]]
*** Well, I'd find it very surprising that BinSmoothing really matters that much. Personally, I'd suggest at least exploring other uses for those two additional guns. Many people have tested guns with and without BinSmoothing - I've never seen one that came back showing conclusively that it helped. -- [[Voidious]]
* You could probably also use tick waves for the non-AM stats, and only firing waves for the surfers?  -- [[Simonton]]
** Definitely another good idea. I weight non-firing waves much lower in my AntiSurfer gun. Another interesting nugget of info: [[Shadow]] only has one gun and it hits surfers really, really well. -- [[Voidious]]
*** Non-firing waves are... unlikely, as it needs some time to update the entire network and it spreads it out over the turns, so that is not really viable. However as I said in a differnet thread I might attempt to put a traditional gf gun in there for the non-adaptive movers if things come to that. --[[Chase-san]]

I stole Simontons supercomputer, did 5 of 2K7 seasons in 20 minutes. --[[Chase-san]]
* Thief.  I want it back.  -- [[Simonton]]
* But you signed it over :3 --[[Chase-san]]
I must of screwed something up, its still coming out horrible after I removed the traditional GF gun, when I find out what I may revert and fix it. --[[Chase-san]]

I want to see 007 run the TC2K7. It's TC results look pretty sweet. -- [[Skilgannon]] -- 007 -- "Bond. James Bond" =)

012 ranked about 72 overall in the 2K7, and the 011 ranked well about 75 overall, the main difference you ask? the virtualgun switching margin, 011 had it switch only if the new hit rate was .014 (1.4%) better then the one it was currently on, where as 012 just went always with the best! 005 actualy has a margin of.. you might of guessed it! 0.005, or .5% so i'll try around in that area, I like 5.43656366% i'll try that (2e) --[[Chase-san]]

Seems that percent is a bad idea, 005 must of had other factors aswell. --[[Chase-san]]

Just noticed that the RoboResearch's TC2K6 isn't the full 2k6, just the random bots, otherwise I would have stats to show you all. It will only take a few extra minutes to compute the new results. :) --[[Chase-san]]

Since I can now do all this testing, and quickly, might as well put it to good use. --[[Chase-san]]

If I were you I'd revert back to 005 (or even better, 007). These small bugs that creep in are more work to find than redoing part of the code. If you wanted to, you could diff the code to see where the bug might be, but for me it's usually a += instead of a +, or somesuch. Much easier to revert than to go through all the code. -- [[Skilgannon]]

I only ran the 005 for 1 season so its probably just at the top of the ranking, and 007 got about a 62 in the 2K7, I just never posted it, however my attempt at fixing that is seen in 008. I did run a diff, and reset 014 more or less exactly to what 005 was, cept I fixed a few bugs (yes, it had preformance enhancing bugs!). So all I really have to do now it to tune the gun alot. --[[Chase-san]]

Hey Chase, how about trying a combination of Prototype and DrussGT? My movement, your gun? -- [[Skilgannon]]

Let me try to reinsert the gun from 007 that does really good vs non-adaptive, perhaps remove either the standard or the UNetwork gun. But otherwise sure thing! --[[Chase-san]]

ProtoDruss has been born, using Druss' movement and Prototypes gun, I haven't integrated the good non-adaptive hitting gun, so it will probably in all realism rank lower then DrussGT. I just stabbed DrussGT and made it extend ProtoAcc, and fixed the errors (ergo, all the things we're just missing bot.setTurn.. etc really), and removing the base loop, and sticking everything in that base loop into the correct place in its structure.  I also removed all the gun realted stuff, well the stuff that actually fires. I also added some good power management to the gun. --[[Chase-san]]

I found a massive error in my code, and yes, it was integer division, may integer division burn in all that is damnable!! It had to do with the vital shrinking of the neighborhood over time, and well, it was 3i/10i basically, and well, that equals 0, so it was always adding 0 to the neighborhood variance! Which means the neighborhood never shrunk and got more specific! --[[Chase-san]]

The summary says it all, I put Prototype version 014 on ProtoDruss when I threw it togeather, so it doesn't have the much more awesome scores of 016 to boost it up, I am currently testing 017 which is testing the neighborhood's decay rate, which I extended. --[[Chase-san]]

I ran both 017 and 018, 17 decreased the decay, and 018 increased it, both brought down the score, what are the chances I had it right the first time around? Now its time to fiddle with the starting variance. :) --[[Chase-san]]

Mmm, I love the smell of supercomputer in the morning. 7:30 tc2k7, 5:45 tc2k6, and a humble 4:20 tc. for 2 seasons each of course. I'll just say this is my standard test battery. So far I have run 610 battles (that I have listed) and thus 305000 rounds. --[[Chase-san]]

And then to think that I usually ran one 35-round battle against my previous version and one 35-round battle against an older WaveSerpent . . . Do remember that the rumble is about 35-round battles. But hey, I have not improved the last versions (or months) so who am I to say something about your testmethods.  -- [[GrubbmGait]]

Good to see your gun has improved. My movement has improved too (I'll upload the results to the mc2k7 page when it's finished running), but so far it looks like the top bots take the biggest knock from the movement changes. And it's not a flattener =). I just fixed the time-since-dir-change segment to work off of bullet flight time, instead of a hardcoded '30'. Another few tweaks, and DrussGT 0.2 will be released, and ProtoDruss may need an update as well =). -- [[Skilgannon]]

That sould be easy enough, it took me about 40 seconds to convert the last version (yay for a well developed structure). :) --[[Chase-san]]

KT0 was an attempt at something Simonton put me onto, it uses a set number of nodes like my NN, and updates them like them aswell, but instead of a set lattice of nodes, and thus always the same, it instead determines the ones with the nearest weights to be nearer to it. Thus I dub it Neural Clustering. But this particular build seems hopeless against the adaptive surfers. --[[Chase-san]]
* Huh.  Wow.  That's.  Wow.  Did you watch it fight?  Are you sure it's not just firing head-on? -- [[Simonton]]
*I did watch is vs the old DT, and it seemed to move, but I can give it another look, this is without decaying stats. --[[Chase-san]]
*Could you try printing out what GuessFactor it's aiming at each time? I can't help but think it is the same one every time with those surfer scores... Weird! -- [[Voidious]]
*I watched and the GF's are just fine, it just seems incapabile to hit surfers... I might try a few things that might help. All my experiments come up pretty much negative. About a max of 43% vs RaikoMX. --[[Chase-san]]
* You are aiming at a diverse set of GuessFactors and still getting scores < 1 against every surfer? I find that statistically improbable. =) -- [[Voidious]]
* I just said I got 43% in a test, but in that particular build, it aims, the gf changes between -1 and 1, it just can't hit surfers. --[[Chase-san]]
* Hmmm, maybe you aren't re-clustering when you add new data, so against a surfer all the new data is stuck in the old clusters, and you keep shooting at old guessfactors? -- [[Skilgannon]]
* Reading is dead. --[[Chase-san]]
* My point is quite simple: it seems almost impossibly unlikely that you could get < 1 vs all the surfers with any real gun. In ''that'' build, I wager you were either aiming at the same one or two GuessFactors every time or shooting outside of the max escape angles altogether. But I won't bring it up again. =) -- [[Voidious]]
** I can send you a copy of the source if you like. But the scores against a number of the bots is better then HOT, and definitely better then Random Targeting. --[[Chase-san]]
*** Send me the code Chase, I wouldn't mind a peek =). -- [[Skilgannon]]
**** Here it is: http://www.tfsnewworld.com/chase/bots/chase.koho.Prototype_KT0.jar --[[Chase-san]]
** No, thanks. Think about how many points a surfer is dodging if you only hit them a few times. How quickly are they adapting? They're not getting hit at all, so they couldn't possibly be continuing to dodge your gun as it learns. Scores under 1 in a TC could not ''ever'' be because your gun is just "bad at hitting surfers", period. =) Sorry to be so blunt... -- [[Voidious]]
*** So your basically saying, i'm not gonna bother to check, but your wrong, (but..) no your wrong, I don't care your just wrong. But how do you explain it hitting surfers better with only changing segments and decaying? (ergo the still rather horrible 43%) --[[Chase-san]]
*** Hey, I've hardly found time to work on my own bots, I'm just not particularly interested in debugging yours. If you don't understand my point, that's fine. Sorry if my posts were rude. -- [[Voidious]]
**** Well the wave, gf and aiming system is just copy and pasted directly from the base gun (KGun, Prototypes gun), all I did was remove the virtual gun array from the mix and changed how it determined the bmu, and everything else is the same, so I can't see where there could be an error, I have checked, so your claiming something thats possible impossible... And nothing I can say about how I checked or tested the code seems to convince you, basically saying you can't be wrong because you just know I am. --[[Chase-san]]

I am currently running the amtchs vs 023, 022 wasn't very promising, however I am testing a core kernal calculation, this shouldn't be required given the nater of a Kohonen map, and actually should lower the score by a tad, but I decided what the heck. --[[Chase-san]]

Hey Chase-san, I have a question about that big set of computers that you had working for you. Did you have them all hooked up using RoboLeague's DivisionServer capability? I can't seem to get it to work on my machine. --[[David Alves]]
* No, I think he's using RoboResearch. -- [[Skilgannon]]

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