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This is a team competition in which teammates' names are drawn from a hat (so to speak).

Subpages: /MessageFormat - /wiki.team.communication

There are a few obstacles to overcome:
1. There needs to be a common message language.
2. Each team pairing (there could be more than two per team) needs to be created manually, unless someone writes an automated team file creation device.
3. There is no Roborumble support, so like the TwinDuel it must be run and reported manually.
4. Who fights? Who wins? I am guessing that for each tournament, each competitor will only be on one team, paired once against each other team, and the overall winning team will be declared the winner (as opposed to an individual).
What are your ideas? -- Martin

5. Who is the leader of one team? --Krabb

I was thinking about the team creation aspect of it... It would make things easier on the administrator if the teams for the tournament were set at the beginning of the tourney, as opposed to re-drawing for each match. I think it is possible for a program to create the teams in any case: you would just need the classes and an appropriate .team file packaged in a .jar, which I think is completely do-able with Java. If we did automate it, it might be really interesting to re-draw at leach level of the bracket tourney, if we had one anywhere in the competition's format.

Despite being a really sucky team / melee bot, I've got some pretty solid scan sharing in Codious that I could adapt for the base class.

I personally kind of like the bracket tourney style for the final parts of the tournament, but I'm flexible. And I agree that the team should be the winner, not an individual bot. Nice name, too =)

-- Voidious

I think point 2) should be no problem, teams are just defined in a file which contains "teamname", "team-members", "description" and so on. It should be no roblem to create them automatically.. But point 4) is sure a problem, it would be only luck if you win a tourney (With a good mate). If we have a 2on2 with members A,B,C and D we could run 3 matches: A+B vs C+D, A+C vs B+D and A+D vs B+C, the one with the highest overall score would win. What do you think? --Krabb

That how it is being done in TwinDuel at present. That's probably the way it will go, unless we get a better idea. The number of pairings could be a problem if interest rises, in which case we may have different divisions that play amongst themselves, with the winner of one division swapping with the loser of the next higher division. That's probably a ways off, and given the level of existing interest in team competitions, not worth stressing over. -- Martin

Just a sidenote, would HighHatTourney be a better name, as drawing from hats usually is done with highhats. -- GrubbmGait

(Edit Conflict x3 =)) Heh. I'm not sure about running every pairing to get an individual bot as the winner - with 10 or so bots (about what TwinDuel has now), you have like 45 teams, I think? That would be a ridiculous amount of matches. Also, being stuck with a teammate for the whole tourney would encourage you not to sabotage him, that's an interestinng point. A couple options for having a number of entrants that isn't divisible by 2 (or 3 or whatever): have a random bot on two teams; have a random bot on a team with a copy of itself; have a "filler" bot that is a decent melee bot, like Shiz or GlowingHawks member, thrown into the mix. I kinda like the idea of having a random bot on a team with itself. -- Voidious

Re: Who is leader...

By the way, how many of you are interested in this? From the conversation so far, I gather that Martin, Krabb, maybe GrubbmGait, and I might participate. (Well, I certainly would.) Just curious. -- Voidious

Not that much interest ;/ Would have been a niche chance to get more people interested in teams --Krabb

Well, maybe some more people will chime in. The TwinDuel got more participants than I thought it would after the first few days of talking about it, though it has slowed down now. -- Voidious

Just looking for a rough idea here: other than myself and Martin, who else might be interested in participating here? -- Voidious

(discussion migrated to the new wiki as "Hat League" and "Talk:Hat League")

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